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18th-Jul-2008 08:40 pm
camel
So here is a summary of the current events surrounding Iran and try to see if you can figure it out. Its all a bit strange.

Last week or so we had Israel doing some flight tests which was mentioned as an exercise that would be an attack on Iran. Iran showed off their missiles. Oil went fucking crazy, record high. US jumps in and says they will defend Israel, Iran says they will retaliate if attack, and talks about attacking any country that USA has their camp in, to jumpstart their attacks. Everything became a bit scary until...

...suddenly, everything changed. USA sends Burns to the pre-negotiation with Iran and the EU in regards to the nuclear issue, and it seems like a big deal, because USA was never directly at the same table in regards to these discussions. If that was not enough, there are rumors that USA might have a special interest group in Iran for visa processing and shit, which at the moment is handled by the Swiss, so this would be the first time since the 70s that USA officially has diplomats in Iran. While this is not confirmed by the US government, it hasnt been denied by them either yet. Both sides are being positive in their statements to the press.

"We view the fact that a representative from the U.S. is there as a positive development. I hope this positive approach in shape and format also spreads to the content," Mottaki said.

"The United States doesn't have any permanent enemies," Rice said in response to a reporter's question on the unexpected move to send a diplomat to meet directly with Iran's negotiator Saeed Jalili in Geneva on Saturday.


A democrat and a resolution are trying to pass a resolution to:

The House Foreign Affairs Committee may soon begin considering a resolution offered by Reps. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.) and Mike Pence (R-Ind.) that would prohibit exporting petroleum to Iran and impose "stringent inspection requirements" on all people, vehicles, and cargo going in and out of the country. This legislation has sent off alarm bells throughout the peace and security community.


So whats going on? Is this a sincere effort by the Bush administration to look for a diplomatic solution or is it just an empty gesture so that when war starts, they can claim they tried everything? Were the Israeli exercises an actual indication of possibility of a near war, or just to flex their muscles to make it seem like diplomacy is preferable for the Iranians? Was Iran's response to show they are willing to go to war if push comes to shove, a ploy to push oil prices up, or just trying to show that there were two paths out of this?

How about the effect of this on the candidates? It almost seems like Bush does not really care about McCain. One of the differences between Obama and McCain was that Obama claiming that he will talk with Iran. While the current situation is not really what Obama was talking about, it still seems that it is easier for Obama to say that this is what he wanted.

Bush always claimed he never cared about polls, and we know that he was not really concerned about politics of future candidates or the congress, is this a situation where this might actually be a positive trait to have?

Israel has also going through some radical changes. They are speaking to Syria, Hamas, and Hezbolla. With Hezbolla, they recently released 5 Lebanese prisoners and a 199 dead bodies in exchange of the bodies of 8 Israeli soldiers, even though they initially were saying that no swaps would be made. How can we read this? Is Israeli seriously considering war with Iran, and this is its way of trying tone down Iran's influence in the region as much as possible, so that the war will be more to its benefit, or is it an actual progress towards peace in the region?

The outcome of this weekend seems to have two different paths. Either towards peace and stability in the region or to war. Both paths seem to be realistic and only a few steps in either direction might have a domino effect and result in a bigger change. Only what will the change be?

This is something I like to be positive about. The Bush administation has had a few major changes in personnel in the last few years and they might be more in tune and experienced with foreign policy. At the same time, there has been a lot of internal debates in the Iranian government and they might be looking for a positive way out of the nuclear issue. Bush's term ends this year and Ahmadinijad's term ends next year, and they may both want to leave a better legacy.

I'm hoping the news for the coming weeks, in regards to Iran and USA, will be more positive. Good news has been something in low supply when it comes to the relationship between those two, and who knows, maybe its time now for a change.

Like simple, small changes like this:
"Partnering with the U.S. Olympic Committee, we invited 15 members of the Iranian national table-tennis team to the United States last week. This group included the first female Iranian athletes who've ever been to the U.S. on this program. In cooperation with the National Basketball Association, we'll bring the Iranian Olympic basketball team here next week for the NBA summer league," Burns told Congress today.
Comments 
18th-Jul-2008 06:23 pm (UTC)

my 2 cents:

no one wants a war
seemingly more because of oil prices than principles
Iran does have a power in global affairs now, simply because of the oil

Also, this is a new player:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Union

But I'm not sure how the play is affecting events,
19th-Jul-2008 09:43 am (UTC)
I heard about that, but we already have like a million groups, only a few actually seem to be of some use, such as EU, OPEC.
18th-Jul-2008 08:40 pm (UTC)
Don't know about Iran, but don't expect any peace and stability coming from Israel swap.

Lebanese state welcome for a person who, at best, can be described a war criminal wasn't a very bright idea. At present public opinion in Israel shifted from "Lebanon is a nice country that had a very bad luck" to "Lebanon proved herself just another terrorist state".

Also I have a very little doubt that Hezbolla will want another war. Cause war is an only thing they think they know how to do.
19th-Jul-2008 09:44 am (UTC)
The swap was really a stupid move form Israel's side. What did Hezbollah lose here? Just a few dead bodies, and they could a lot back. It should have at least been a dead body swap, why trade live for dead?

19th-Jul-2008 10:51 am (UTC)
Nasralla did his best to keep them in "death can not be definitely confirmed" status. In Israel that creates lots of problems for families. Also there is a strong trend "to not leave anyone behind" in the army. Add to it a government under stress and you get your deal.

20th-Jul-2008 03:39 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but they could have put a clause in it that said they would not release the prisoners if the Israelis are dead.

I do like that Israel is talking and trying to work with others. But you never know with Israel and Co. One day you have peace talks, the next its rockets and settlements and arrests and suicide bombs, and then again peace talks.
19th-Jul-2008 02:34 pm (UTC)
Empty gestures. The trade embargo and even the overtures against Iran are acts of war. For five years my government has done nothing but present GOSSIP about a nuclear weapons program. It is long, long, long passed time for PROOF (even then, why does Israel have the right to nukes when Iran does not?).
20th-Jul-2008 03:40 pm (UTC)
The propaganda against Iran has been so effective that there is no point in my discussions online to even argue against every single point, and I just have to go with it. News articles keep mentioning things like "the international community", when generally its just a few countries.
20th-Jul-2008 07:20 pm (UTC)
News in the United States commonly uses "the world" to refer to the United States. I am partially exaggerating- except in the case of disasters or celebrity gossip. "When Angelina Jolie was pregnant with twins the whole world held it's breath" (fabricated example, but fits the formula absolutely).

Also, look at what's Featured on YouTube: (I'm impressed!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNzrNEFs1E
20th-Jul-2008 08:00 pm (UTC)
Good feature. Wish more people would know about stuff like that.
20th-Jul-2008 04:32 am (UTC)
I have no intelligent opinion on this, so I'm just going to thank you for the summary. :) It was very useful considering how the news have been so confusing and overwhelming recently.
20th-Jul-2008 03:44 pm (UTC)
Which reminds me, I keep wanting to formulate my own thoughts on the west's media attack on China, but I havent gotten round to it. I listen to BBC daily, and it is generally not bad, but their attention on China borders on xenophobia. Almost every day they have a special report on China.

It does make a person upset, because what China has been doing the last couple of years is really a model way of running a country. They are growing year by year, at a time when most western countries are either stagnant or falling, they work well with other countries without being annoyingly judgemental towards their internal approach, and they are able to progress their economy and technology at a fantastic rate. yet, BBC finds one person who complains about being imprisoned by the government or another who doesnt like to work in a factory.
22nd-Jul-2008 04:07 am (UTC)
Ah....don't even get me started on that. Casting China in the usual human rights abuser role is fashionable. You just can't win; it's a vicious cycle. Earlier this year when Chinese citizens on the mainland and in Hong Kong got fed up with the western media's blind criticism of China and spoke up for themselves on the internet/in local papers, said western media immediately pointed to them as signs of either Chinese central government coercion or "the poor deluded Chinese, unaware of their own oppressed situation". The more we argue back the more condescending they get, even in the face of solid proof that some stories were falsely/misleadingly reported or even fabricated.

It's the cliche to explain this away as the west feeling threatened by big bad China's massive growth, but as a Chinese citizen it really does feel like their media is always trying to prove that the country's rising economic and political power is illicitly gained in some way and hence invalid and undeserved.
20th-Jul-2008 04:59 am (UTC) - Iran Nuclear ambitions
Anonymous
The Iranians are working towards nuclear weapons. Can you blame them?

It is a defensive move. and a wise one at that.

Notice that the only two nations that stand up to U.S. Imperialism are North Korea, and Pakistan. What do they have in common?
They have nukes.

Nuclear Proliferation will restore justice and peace to our world. It will make our nation stop bullying the world. We should support Nuclear Proliferation!

Nuclear weapons make war obsolete because they make victory impossible. It was mutually assured destruction that kept the peace between the Soviet Union and the United States. The peace lasted for decades.

It is bigotry to think that a hereditary Islamic theocracy couldn’t grasp the concept of mutually assured destruction. When both parties have nuclear weapons it is suicide to attack. Governments want to stay in power,, they don’t want to be incinerated.
What government would ever order a suicide attack?

The United States needs to step aside and allow the natural spread of nuclear technology. Technology throughout history has always spread. Gunpowder started in China, which was the most powerful, most advanced, and wealthiest nation on earth at the time. Now,, everyone has gunpowder. The most isolated illiterate tribesman carrys an automatic rifle when they go to war.

In the future, every Mullah, Generalismo, and War Lord will have access to nuclear weapons. All of them will be able to unleash an atomic fireball, but all of them will know that the same thing will come back at them. As rational beings that will realize this is unthinkable.

Once everyone who wants an atomic bomb has one,, Peace will prevail!

Support Iran’s nuclear program. Support Nuclear Proliferation. Help bring forth the new age of Atomic Peace
20th-Jul-2008 03:45 pm (UTC) - Re: Iran Nuclear ambitions
I agree fully, aaaand, who are you?
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